Jay and Clifton get nostalgic over and wonder how Joe Christmas' debut album Upstairs Overlooking survived on Christian bookstore shelves with so little controversy.
Sources:
As the Story Grows interview with Russell Holbrook:
https://asthestorygrows.com/episodes/27240708
Pastor with no Answers Podcast with Russell Holbrook:
https://play.acast.com/s/pastorwithnoanswers/tag%3Asoundcloud%2C2010%3Atracks%2F642092649
Visions of Gray zine interview with Joe Christmas, March 1995 -part 1:
Part 2: